[Inline-4]

Originally Posted by Frost881

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If I was gonna turbo right now, I'd be lookin for somwhere around 250 WHP

I'd want it as streetable and non-laggy as possible

But IF I even ever get around to that, it's gonna be awhile

Well I'm looking at 300whp, which is still streetable in my opinion. Anything over that you could technically drive as a daily, it'd just be a pain in the ass to do. Even at 300whp I'm getting a Stage 3 clutch, so we'll see how that turns out. Laggyness is dependent on the size of the turbo, along with some other things. A T3/T4 is still a fairly small turbo. Now if I was going to slap a Garrett GT35R on it, then I'd have wicked turbo lag. It all depends on how you put together your setup.

[coervi]

did you ever look into 'teas' build, IIMC he is, was on a built motor and boosted and was only making 260hp/267tq sooo your 300 hp range might be a pretty high shot.

[Inline-4]

Originally Posted by coervi

did you ever look into 'teas' build, IIMC he is, was on a built motor and boosted and was only making 260hp/267tq sooo your 300 hp range might be a pretty high shot.

On a built motor there's no reason why you couldn't max a T3/T4 out. IIRC it's rated up to 400hp.

[fgpalmer71]

I think Coervi was trying to tell you that it has been done before, with a built motor, high boost, and came out spinning the rollers to the tune of 260hp and 260lb ft of torque. I don't think he is questioning the turbo's ability or your cars. I think he was advising you to attempt to pick the brain of a guy who has boosted a 2.3 MZR in the past with success and that your goal of 300hp might only be attainable with a bit more added to your list. Good luck and I will be watching your progress, been toying with the idea of trying out the STS TT setup on my 2.3.

[The Great NY]

Originally Posted by Inline-4

On a built motor there's no reason why you couldn't max a T3/T4 out. IIRC it's rated up to 400hp.

thats true, the reason teas dyno 260whp, is that its at 10psi. he has yet to dyno at 18psi because the clutch he currently has wont hold it so he is at the max of his current clutch.

with our cars dont be some much concerned with the HP numbers as with boost ours cars are gonna have a signifacant amount more TQ than HP, not the othe way around like hondas.

300whp is doable.


EDIT: and our cars have a VERY broad tq curve not a big spike then drop off. so our cars will be more streetable than a honda at high power levels and be faster aside from the wieght

[Inline-4]

Originally Posted by The Great NY

thats true, the reason teas dyno 260whp, is that its at 10psi. he has yet to dyno at 18psi because the clutch he currently has wont hold it so he is at the max of his current clutch.

with our cars dont be some much concerned with the HP numbers as with boost ours cars are gonna have a signifacant amount more TQ than HP, not the othe way around like hondas.

300whp is doable.


EDIT: and our cars have a VERY broad tq curve not a big spike then drop off. so our cars will be more streetable than a honda at high power levels and be faster aside from the wieght

+1

18psi is about what a T3/T4 turbo will max out at, although there is some wiggle room depending on altitude. 18psi at sea-level is more like 20-21psi up here in CO to make the same power. I'd say if I was to max it out I'd be making over 300whp on a built motor, purely speculation though as I haven't done it. I would most likely run it at 15psi. Being able to make equal hp to torque is always a plus. And it makes driving the car, overall, that more fun.

On a stock motor I wouldn't take it above 10-11psi up here at 6,000ft as that's equivalent to about 8-9psi at sea level. So I'd be making roughly 240-250whp. Which in itself is a hell of a lot better than stock, about what a stock STi and EVO make.

[coervi]

yes that is what i was trying to say, thankyou. And what do you plan on doing that tea didnt other than higher boost?

[djquik1]

Justin,

I have seen some Hondas on stock engines produce the 450-500 whp on stock internals......they had a perfect and aggressive tune on them.Now if the tune was slightly off or the octane was too low.....BOOM!!!
But that was the risk they took.

Anyways,
Mr Tea's setup is a frankenstein anyway,he has a trans out of a Focus in it and the car started out as a ATX....But Justin is correct he has not dynoed his current set-up at 18psi,but I bet he is at 350-400whp range with the proper clutch.

[The Great NY]

Originally Posted by djquik1

Justin,

I have seen some Hondas on stock engines produce the 450-500 whp on stock internals......they had a perfect and aggressive tune on them.Now if the tune was slightly off or the octane was too low.....BOOM!!!
But that was the risk they took.

Anyways,
Mr Tea's setup is a frankenstein anyway,he has a trans out of a Focus in it and the car started out as a ATX....But Justin is correct he has not dynoed his current set-up at 18psi,but I bet he is at 350-400whp range with the proper clutch.

Trust me...I know there are 400-500hp hondas. But none have torque to match...lol....yea lots of honda guys live on the edge...hence the reason....u can go to any honda person how many motors they blew ....they'll all say at least one due to modding.

[Inline-4]

Originally Posted by djquik1

Justin,

I have seen some Hondas on stock engines produce the 450-500 whp on stock internals......they had a perfect and aggressive tune on them.Now if the tune was slightly off or the octane was too low.....BOOM!!!
But that was the risk they took.

Anyways,
Mr Tea's setup is a frankenstein anyway,he has a trans out of a Focus in it and the car started out as a ATX....But Justin is correct he has not dynoed his current set-up at 18psi,but I bet he is at 350-400whp range with the proper clutch.

I still think the Mazda 6, whether the 2.3L or 3.0L, is an extremely underrated car. I just can't wait to get mine out there around 300whp and blow people's minds.....and maybe make them cry too.

[The Great NY]

Originally Posted by Inline-4

I still think the Mazda 6, whether the 2.3L or 3.0L, is an extremely underrated car. I just can't wait to get mine out there around 300whp and blow people's minds.....and maybe make them cry too.

The 6 is an underatted car. But that's what we are here for. To start laying the smack down on the comp and make a name for the 6.

I stopped by this mazda dealer yesterday. Brand new.. just opened in my city a week ago. Before then. The closest one was 45 minute ride away.

Pulled up and got out and two salesman came out and said dude that's a sick looking speed 6. I said what speed 6? They said isn't that a speed 6, I see u have a front mount.

I poped the hood and the one guy says..holy shit dude you twin turbod the v6. We never even seen a 6 turbo other than the speed. He said I wish the owner was here to see this.

I gave him a card and said tell him to holla at me. I'm local, lol


Its sad that the mazda dealers don't even know what the cars they are selling are capable of. But that's majority of dealership. I'm gonna try and get sponsoered by them and get a motor out of them.

[Polish_Eagle]

Sorry for hijacking this thread but I got a question about turboing the 6i. What would be the best route to go about to get the 6i turboed? At the moment I'm thinking of getting the F2 Stage 2 kit minus the XFC ecu and then get the tuner that Justin is attempting to get setup for the 6i.

What are everyone's thoughts about going that route? My goal is to hopefully install the turbo next year in the summer or spring 2011, but I definitely want to go boost.

[The Great NY]

Originally Posted by Polish_Eagle

Sorry for hijacking this thread but I got a question about turboing the 6i. What would be the best route to go about to get the 6i turboed? At the moment I'm thinking of getting the F2 Stage 2 kit minus the XFC ecu and then get the tuner that Justin is attempting to get setup for the 6i.

What are everyone's thoughts about going that route? My goal is to hopefully install the turbo next year in the summer or spring 2011, but I definitely want to go boost.

im not sure of the differences between the F2 and the Hiboost kit. but someone could probably chime in from the 6i battalion. as far as tuning goes. you can use either. and the 6i tuner, im working on should have something very soon.

[Polish_Eagle]

Originally Posted by The Great NY

im not sure of the differences between the F2 and the Hiboost kit. but someone could probably chime in from the 6i battalion. as far as tuning goes. you can use either. and the 6i tuner, im working on should have something very soon.

Awesome! Well I think I'll go with the F2 route but use the tuner you are working on. The XFC ecu appears to be only fuel and I rather have the tuner you are working on to control timing and fuel.

[coervi]

i plan on just using the speed mani and turbo ect and custom the rest and then whatever tunner is out when im ready